Comments on: Challenge, Frustration http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104 An Emm Emm Oh Blog Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:22:39 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: KyteFfxi http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-322102 KyteFfxi Thu, 04 Feb 2010 03:55:52 +0000 http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-322102 Let me start with saying I've followed this game since beta but never played it.I have several high lvl chars on Wow, FFxi(current) and Eve.Every now and then i check on VG and always there is a stir about something they are doing to the game or its broke in some way. The devs cause way too much drama for me to give it a serious go. But some thoughts on the game i would offer anywho.Seems like the Devs have 2 choices. 1)Take the player base you have thats been faithful, and continue to build the game around the reasons they have stuck with this game thru the mud.(Fix bugs,finish polishing it up.) -or- 2) Radically alter the game to seems more like another game a.k.a forget your player base and try to appeal to the masses playing other games. I like loyalty personally. I like a game that feels different than every other game. Its why i lvl a champion to 40 in Lotho in 3 weeks and said forget this, i might as well play wow if all this is ,is a clone(sry i know some of u love lotro)its ok... but my advice is SOE should build from the player base up. Keep what you got happy 1st then look at what u can do to get more 2nd. Clearly you guys want the bugs fixed 1st before they start trying to tinker with game mechanics that are working fine and i dont blame you. Let me start with saying I’ve followed this game since beta but never played it.I have several high lvl chars on Wow, FFxi(current) and Eve.Every now and then i check on VG and always there is a stir about something they are doing to the game or its broke in some way. The devs cause way too much drama for me to give it a serious go.
But some thoughts on the game i would offer anywho.Seems like the Devs have 2 choices. 1)Take the player base you have thats been faithful, and continue to build the game around the reasons they have stuck with this game thru the mud.(Fix bugs,finish polishing it up.) -or- 2) Radically alter the game to seems more like another game a.k.a forget your player base and try to appeal to the masses playing other games.
I like loyalty personally. I like a game that feels different than every other game. Its why i lvl a champion to 40 in Lotho in 3 weeks and said forget this, i might as well play wow if all this is ,is a clone(sry i know some of u love lotro)its ok… but my advice is SOE should build from the player base up. Keep what you got happy 1st then look at what u can do to get more 2nd. Clearly you guys want the bugs fixed 1st before they start trying to tinker with game mechanics that are working fine and i dont blame you.

]]> By: Journeys with Jaye » Totally Not Supposed to Happen Part 2 http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-105789 Journeys with Jaye » Totally Not Supposed to Happen Part 2 Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:02:44 +0000 http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-105789 [...] What sticks in my craw about this interview is the whole “get over it” tone of the interview. I fully admit that I might be a bit cantankerous about the in game item rewards for the Living Legacy promo, but that’s not something I want to be reminded of by the SoE PR people! Aren’t they the people that are supposed to make me think happy thoughts about the game? This is sorta like the SoE response to the Unhallowed Triad/Holy Trinity secret server move from test to live. Or the “deal with the changes or you won’t get new players” conversation to the Vanguard community in a recent SoE Podcast. I know that marketing people don’t really mean it when they call me a “valued customer,” but heck, just patronize me anyway, please! Pay me the lip service! [...] [...] What sticks in my craw about this interview is the whole “get over it” tone of the interview. I fully admit that I might be a bit cantankerous about the in game item rewards for the Living Legacy promo, but that’s not something I want to be reminded of by the SoE PR people! Aren’t they the people that are supposed to make me think happy thoughts about the game? This is sorta like the SoE response to the Unhallowed Triad/Holy Trinity secret server move from test to live. Or the “deal with the changes or you won’t get new players” conversation to the Vanguard community in a recent SoE Podcast. I know that marketing people don’t really mean it when they call me a “valued customer,” but heck, just patronize me anyway, please! Pay me the lip service! [...]

]]> By: Cow Nose the 50 Pound Cat http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-53234 Cow Nose the 50 Pound Cat Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:59:16 +0000 http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-53234 There have been a lot of great comments so far, and I agree with all of them. One thing I would like to say to you Jaye is, Don't feel afraid to post things like this! I loved your pseudo-rant and you should always feel free to voice your thoughts no matter if they seem to drag on. There have been a lot of great comments so far, and I agree with all of them.

One thing I would like to say to you Jaye is, Don’t feel afraid to post things like this! I loved your pseudo-rant and you should always feel free to voice your thoughts no matter if they seem to drag on.

]]> By: The Common Sense Gamer » Has it got legs? http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-52327 The Common Sense Gamer » Has it got legs? Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:58:35 +0000 http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-52327 [...] Here’s what I didn’t agree with…that VG’s main frustration is the death penalty which is apparently something they are taking a serious look at. Jaye, our resident VG expert summarizes the death penalty view vary well: If you die in Vanguard, you leave a tombstone at the point of death. Any gear you have on that’s not soulbound is left on the stone, and you lose some experience. If you can get back to your tombstone, you can loot it for your gear plus much of your lost experience. But you can also summon it at any altar, which gives you back your gear but you don’t get the exp. In all my 50 levels of playing, doing plenty of soloing and dungeon crawling, I have not had a time where I worried about dying, and believe me, I’ve taken plenty of chances. Steep would be rotting corpses, lost gear, (stolen gear!), and multi-night corpse recoveries. I endured all of those in Everquest. Vanguard is not Everquest. [...] [...] Here’s what I didn’t agree with…that VG’s main frustration is the death penalty which is apparently something they are taking a serious look at. Jaye, our resident VG expert summarizes the death penalty view vary well: If you die in Vanguard, you leave a tombstone at the point of death. Any gear you have on that’s not soulbound is left on the stone, and you lose some experience. If you can get back to your tombstone, you can loot it for your gear plus much of your lost experience. But you can also summon it at any altar, which gives you back your gear but you don’t get the exp. In all my 50 levels of playing, doing plenty of soloing and dungeon crawling, I have not had a time where I worried about dying, and believe me, I’ve taken plenty of chances. Steep would be rotting corpses, lost gear, (stolen gear!), and multi-night corpse recoveries. I endured all of those in Everquest. Vanguard is not Everquest. [...]

]]> By: Hailin http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-52117 Hailin Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:39:56 +0000 http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-52117 Great post Jaye and you are bang on with what you said. But I don't think anyone should feel to bad. Brenlo and Amy are more concerned with there coffee then what is truly happening at SOE. Which in turn makes them extremely boring podcasters. I gave up on the SOE podcast LONG ago. I would download it for the news and that was it. I think they should start looking at more MMO podcasts like the Virgin Collective to really see how to podcast properly. Vanguard is broken. Sorry I had to let it out as I recently subscribed and unsubscribed in less then 2 weeks. I just couldn't get past that I have this so called top of the line system and I get beat up every which way I turn by lag and hitching no matter how high I run the graphics. I to have a system like you Talyn that can run TR full out, but also can't run Vanguard at all. I saw the new screens of the Khal remodel and they are indeed impressive. I fail to see how these improved graphics can enhance my experience if I am still stuck wondering where to go next for my questing line when I am only 21 on my necro. I now saw what you meant Jaye on VoV when you said the twenties were a tough and may I add confusing spot. I stood by CIS for days wondering what to do next. Word of mouth is great but how can I possibly look at my friends and honestly lead them towards Vanguard when it feels so broken to me. Sorry also for ranting and going all over the place. There stupid attempt at humor didn't pay off. (Just had to add this. Final Fantasy 11 has the second highest MMO population outside of Korea, and it is extremely challenging and the death penalty is fiercely mean. Guess that just proves the great SOE podcasting gods wrong.) Great post Jaye and you are bang on with what you said. But I don’t think anyone should feel to bad.

Brenlo and Amy are more concerned with there coffee then what is truly happening at SOE. Which in turn makes them extremely boring podcasters.

I gave up on the SOE podcast LONG ago. I would download it for the news and that was it.

I think they should start looking at more MMO podcasts like the Virgin Collective to really see how to podcast properly.

Vanguard is broken. Sorry I had to let it out as I recently subscribed and unsubscribed in less then 2 weeks. I just couldn’t get past that I have this so called top of the line system and I get beat up every which way I turn by lag and hitching no matter how high I run the graphics.

I to have a system like you Talyn that can run TR full out, but also can’t run Vanguard at all.

I saw the new screens of the Khal remodel and they are indeed impressive. I fail to see how these improved graphics can enhance my experience if I am still stuck wondering where to go next for my questing line when I am only 21 on my necro. I now saw what you meant Jaye on VoV when you said the twenties were a tough and may I add confusing spot. I stood by CIS for days wondering what to do next.

Word of mouth is great but how can I possibly look at my friends and honestly lead them towards Vanguard when it feels so broken to me.

Sorry also for ranting and going all over the place. There stupid attempt at humor didn’t pay off.

(Just had to add this. Final Fantasy 11 has the second highest MMO population outside of Korea, and it is extremely challenging and the death penalty is fiercely mean. Guess that just proves the great SOE podcasting gods wrong.)

]]> By: Lazaretto http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-51906 Lazaretto Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:15:58 +0000 http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-51906 "It is going to be another EQ2" That's the thing - it will move in that direction but it will never be as polished, have as many players, deliver the depth of content as it's more popular sibling. I don't get making it more EQ2ish when SOE already has a strong product in that space. VG needs to be a "niche" product and that is catering to the more hardcore crowd. I'm afraid it's lost it's identity. “It is going to be another EQ2″

That’s the thing – it will move in that direction but it will never be as polished, have as many players, deliver the depth of content as it’s more popular sibling. I don’t get making it more EQ2ish when SOE already has a strong product in that space. VG needs to be a “niche” product and that is catering to the more hardcore crowd. I’m afraid it’s lost it’s identity.

]]> By: Vogai http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-51717 Vogai Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:43:40 +0000 http://www.journeyswithjaye.com/?p=1104#comment-51717 (Can you tell I'm mad yet...) There is one question I would love to put to the powers that be at SOE... Why did you buy Vanguard? If you are going to dumb it down to attract 'new blood' as Brenlo and co state, then why did you bother? It is going to be another EQ2. I do not understand their thinking from the very beginning. Brad, for all his faults, had a very clear vision of what he wanted. Take that vision away, put in SOE's...you have EQ2. (Can you tell I’m mad yet…)

There is one question I would love to put to the powers that be at SOE…

Why did you buy Vanguard? If you are going to dumb it down to attract ‘new blood’ as Brenlo and co state, then why did you bother? It is going to be another EQ2.

I do not understand their thinking from the very beginning. Brad, for all his faults, had a very clear vision of what he wanted. Take that vision away, put in SOE’s…you have EQ2.

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